The Censored Comments Thread
UPDATED:
The Fifth day of the Harlow Cuadra trial is in full swing with Grant Roy testifying on the stand.
The San Diego Wire Intercepts, The Crab Catcher and Blacks Beach recordings featured as the main evidence on today's agenda.
Friday Sean Lockhart AKA Brent Corrigan testified and I posted Below.
This post as the title above indicates is for comments and commentary about the trial to date. I will be making this "Sticky" so this post will remain at the top of the blog.
This is the place for "Censored comments" that PC or Jim will not allow.
Identified members of the Kocis Kabal Komenters are not welcome and will not be posted.!
From the Citizens Voice Monday March 2nd 2009
Jurors hear taped conversation between Cuadra, Kocis business partners
Jurors in the Harlow Cuadra capital homicide trial began listening this morning to the first of two recorded conversations Cuadra and his business partner, Joseph Kerekes, had with two other men regarding the death of Bryan Kocis.
The recording of an April 27, 2007 meeting between Cuadra, Kerekes and Grant Roy and Sean Lockhart, takes place primarily at the Crab Catcher restaurant in San Diego, Calif. The recording lasts about three hours. Jurors listened to the first 30 minutes of the tape before breaking for lunch and are expected to listen to the remaining portion when they return.
Roy, who was business partners with Lockhart, a well-known gay pornography star, took the stand this morning in the fifth day of testimony. Lockhart and Roy were cooperating with police in the investigation of the killing of Kocis at his Dallas Township home in Jan. 24, 2007.
Cuadra, 27, could face the death penalty if convicted of first-degree homicide in Kocis’ stabbing death. Kerekes, 35, Cuadra’s former partner of gay pornography and male escort businesses in Viginia Beach, Va., pleaded guilty to second-degree homicide. He is serving a life sentence.
Roy was wearing a recording device when he and Lockhart met the two Virginia Beach men. Cuadra and Kerekes came to San Diego, Roy testified, to try to cement a deal where Cuadra and Lockhart would act in pornographic films together.
In the first 30 minutes of the tape, jurors heard Roy and police testing the recording equipment. Lockhart and Roy are also heard driving to meet Kerekes and Cuadra and some idle introductory conversations when they pick up Cuadra and Kerekes at their hotel. Jurors are wearing headphones and following a transcript of testimony.
County Judge Peter Paul Olszewksi Jr. told jurors testimony will resume at 1:15 p.m. and will likely continue past 4:30 p.m. today until Roy’s testimony is finished.
10:35 a.m.
Grant Roy testified today that he made it clear during his first meeting with Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes that he wanted no one to harm Bryan Kocis.
Roy and his partner Sean Lockhart, who were involved in a highly publicized legal dispute with Kocis, met Cuadra and Kerkes at a dinner meeting in a Las Vegas restaurant in early January 2007, Roy testified this morning during Cuadra’s capital homicide trial.
Cuadra could face the death penalty if found guilty of first-degree homicide in Kocis’ Jan. 24, 2007, stabbing death. Five witnesses, including Roy, were called today by prosecution in the fifth day of testimony.
“I told them ‘If something happened to Bryan, they’re going to show up at my door the next day. If something happened to either one of us they’re going to show up at his door the next day,’” Roy said.
Cuadra, 27, and Kerkes, 35, owned an escort and gay pornography business in Virginia Beach, Va. They were meeting with Roy and Lockhart in hopes of forming a business relationship where Cuadra and Lockhart would act in films together, Roy said.
“Harlow and both Joe seemed a little eager to get this production under way,” Roy said. “I didn’t see the need to rush. At various times, I expressed to them I didn’t think it’d be a problem if we
could get out from this mediation (with Kocis).”
Roy said a settlement between Lockhart and Kocis was nearly finished.The settlement would allow Lockhart to act again under his screen name Brent Corrigan. Because the settlement was still being negotiated, Roy said, he couldn’t reveal that information to Cuadra or Kerekes. But as
the seven-course dinner progressed, he said, both men were drinking excessively and became more insistent.
“(Kerekes) said, ‘Harlow has this guy who will do anything for him,'” Roy testified. Roy said he took this statement to mean murder.
Roy’s testimony was stopped for a brief recess. When jurors return, prosecutors are expected to play a taped conversation Roy had with Cuadra and Kerekes at a nude beach near San Diego in April 2007, when Cuadra discusses Kocis’ death.
Update March 03
Jim reveals material witness Renee Martins arrest record which may go along way towards explaining why R.Martin is the only Material Witness in this criminal case issued a Material Witness Bond of $50,000 (unsecured)
Read more Renee's Rap Sheet
The purpose of this post and comment thread is to allow a free exchange of information by certain commentators who are being censored on the Joe and Harlow Trial Blog and to a much much lesser extent on Jims Chinchilla Blog.
ReplyDeleteWe love you Jim and I understand your only censored comments are personal attacks. ;)
A guideline while this blog in UN-moderated in order to allow rapid posting of comments.
I will delete any and all comments as I see fit from the Kocis Kabal Komentators.
They are not welcome here except as an object of our ridicule and contempt.
Oh, this should be amusing...
ReplyDeleteON Pc's blog
ReplyDeleteBlogger Zebe said...
“I told them ‘If something happened to Bryan, they’re going to show up at my door the next day. If something happened to either one of us they’re going to show up at his door the next day'”
I cant believe that this was Sean and Grants only reaction to a suggestion of murder.
They were discussing MURDER for goodeness sake! The appropriate response should have been something like "STOP RIGHT THERE BUDDY!......I'ts only porn production we're talking about here...I'ts only a job....no one has any business talking about murder here!"
Now if THAT had been said maybe Joe's deranged thoughts might have wandered in another direction as Sean & Grant would have made it quite clear that murdering BK would not have brought about the partnership Joe was looking for.
But sadly that didn't happen. What did happen was that Grant made some lame comment about the police turning up at the door. In other words it was the personal risk factor to Sean and Grant that was the problem, not the fact that someone might be killed.
Its no wonder that Sean went home! The pair of them should feel a great deal of personal shame over this conversation.
Zebe Everyone was Drunk while Grant shut down this discussion there was no reason to say anything else it was an awkward moment nothing more.
Bryan would not have mentioned a threat against Sean either (if one was discussed)since he actually threatened to have Sean Murdered.
Sean and Grant have been more than forthcoming in assisting the prosecution of those who murdered a man who both betrayed & threatened the life of Sean Lockhart.
I knew PC would not post this response so I will also be usuing this space to respond over there. ;)
Have I mentioned that Renee flew in on a broom and sits up in her room with a 1.5L jug of vodka? "I'll take care of you, my pretty, and your little dog, too!"
ReplyDeleteMay we please have any and ALL relevant information on the lunatic that calls himself bb and aspires to be just like the deceased female impersonator "Divine"
ReplyDeleteI am sure that this "bb thing" resembles his hero in likeness- but that is not important.
bbdan deserves nothing less than everyones full effort to out his disgusting ass.
and I don't even have to say "this is not a personal attack"
because it is.
yes Geoff can we get here arrested for drunkin broomstick riding?
ReplyDeleteVJ I am looking in my Archives.
BB used to post occasionally late at night on DiSD (pre 2007) that is when I snapped his ip and location.
I saved them,printed them out and forwarded them to Grants attorney who in turn sent them to Wilkes Barre.
To be fair Robert always denied a connection to bb but then he did on Juicygoo so that's not saying much.
August 2007 we conclusively ip stamped a bb statement coming in from Roberts home at the time in NYC.
Twice
That is why Robert was confronted.
He denied it all said he has never blogged or even looked at the blogs (right I have a bridge to sell)
So why was the issue not pressed?
The DA did ask Everyone to refrain from blogging.
Which of course both sides have violated.
But hey we would never have said a peep if bb had not been on Jason Curious Jan 27th 2007 saying Sean and Grant are the killers...
or me yes i was the first named suspect.
You know what else I was told last summer Renee Martin said Grant,DeWayne and Sean were involved with Joe and Harlow in a 5 way conspiracy.
That Sean and Harlow lured the "old guys" into planning all this.
Yeah and they accuse US of far fetched story's?
After all Sean is Cassandra he has power to lure men to and destroy them.
yeah Renee reads to much pulp fiction!
Just wait till the end of trial,
I will have plenty to Blog about.
Very nice!
ReplyDeleteYou know, BB made some kind of allusion recently to being friends with Robert Wagner -- "the kind of person you want as a friend" I believe were his words -- which wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think we all are aware of a Cobra/Kocis connection with BB, so why wouldn't they know each other and be friends? That would account for the BB posting made from Robert's house.
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, that does NOT mean that BB's views can be said to be Robert's, that he is Robert's "mouthpiece," or anything other than that they know each other. This is what I have persistently, even obnoxiously, been questioning Rob about, and you DeWayne -- How do we know what Robert thinks or believes when has said NOTHING about this case on the record to anybody, at least that I'm aware of?
I have never gotten a satisfactory answer from Rob, who actually STILL seems to believe BB and RW are the same person, which I find to be a totally discredited theory. Grant still seems to believe that too.
I just think people should be careful when they attribute views to a person who has never stated their views. Until this week that is, when Wagner said Sean and Grant had nothing to do with the murder to two separate people.
And just to be clear, I'm not trying to excuse anything in RW's past, during his time with Bryan and Cobra. I tend to believe all of the accusations that are made against him when it comes to all of that. I'm just talking about what has happened since Bryan's death.
From a submission to brentcorriganinc.com that will not be published:
ReplyDeleteTyler has a tramp stamp. Are dudes supposed to have tramp stamps?
Mason is a nasty boy and will stick his cock anywhere it will get traction. Fuck the crew, no problem. I was sort of enchanted with the shower/pool scene, very dream like, until he got you on that bench, dug his fingers in your asshole, and ate whatever came out on his fingers.
If you want $25, just give us your PayPal addy. We do this all the time.
Comment by geoff harvard — On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:38 am
Geoff Harvard said...
ReplyDeletejim said...
"Makes me wonder what Bryan did that got Brent so angry in the first place.
Whatever it was, it created a hostility in Brent, that obviously wasn't there when he first went back to Bryan's that summer."
There are numerous moral and prudential reasons why 43 year old men should just keep their hands off of teenagers. How much of a paragon of virtue do you have to be to just keep your hands off of teenagers? But there Bryan Kocis sat like some kind of Venus fly trap for every teenaged boy he could lure within range. He had an actual expectation of having sex with every one of his models. Just look at that creepy Casting Couch 4 footage on YouTube. Even without the explicit material, it turns your stomach.
March 2, 2009 9:19 PM
Take it easy, PC, some of the best stuff is off topic.
ReplyDeleteCome on, Renee, just a sip.
To Geoff Havard:
ReplyDelete"Fuck the crew, no problem. I was sort of enchanted with the shower/pool scene, very dream like, until he got you on that bench, dug his fingers in your asshole, and ate whatever came out on his fingers."
If it should be about hygienic concerns I find your comment beside the point – is not sex in general violating hygienic anxieties? As those porn pros cleanse their bowls thoroughly (also one thing we could learn from the crab catcher tapes and elsewhere) the only thing Mason probably tasted is either the flavour of the douching substance (if they use flavoured ones) or simply the natural musk of a beautiful young man. Wouldn’t we like to be in his spot, and isn’t this the reason why we watch those films (as you obviously did as well)?
Talking about inappropriate intimacy: apart from Brent and DeWayne I had some online contact with all of you bloggers of the Kocissphere are strangers to me. Still, the question of BB’s identity is of special interest even to an outsider. People have mentioned that he has certain insider’s knowledge and that should give a clue. On his hate blog he published a letter or blog entry where Brent is telling the story how he first began his relationship wit Grant. (Sunday, January 18, 2009
Sean's 1st sex experience with his CobraKiller; http://amurderisannounced.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html)
It’s posted there to denounce Grant as being the same kind of person as Kocis was (seducing teens in their sleep etc.). It is presented as a quote of Brent, but without a link or any other identification of the source.
I cannot be totally sure but this text seems a bit too personal to have been posted on one of Brent’s blogs. On he other hand, it sounds fairly authentic to me. If BB or someone else has faked it they must at least have known that Brent likes to use the idiom of relationships going “south”, a she did in his blog posts.
Contrary to the intent of that blogger the text seemed very romantic and erotic to me. So I wonder where BB got that from and if this is of any help?
Geoff said, "I was sort of enchanted with the shower/pool scene, very dream like, until he got you on that bench, dug his fingers in your asshole, and ate whatever came out on his fingers."
ReplyDeleteI am totally with you no that Geoff. What started out as one of the best filmed scenes in Brent's history of porn fim work was turned into a piece of finger licking shit.
Lana, I think this was in "A Siren's Tale," which is a link on Dewayne's main site. The story is that Lee Bergeron and Grant Roy were roommates in a 3br house in San Diego. They placed an add in a GL newspaper for a third roommate. Brent responded. Grant recognized Brent from an earlier promotional gig he had done with Bryan Kocis. Brent moved in with them.
ReplyDeleteInteresting I went back and looked at Mason and Brents scene ,,a little kinky but I liked it.(surprise I know)
ReplyDeleteBesides its Mason Wylers mo to do things like that!
Geoff Tyler has a tramp stamp???
The tattoo on his back? I missed that bit o slang.
One memorable tattoo on a guys back from the "personal file"
"Bootylicious!" ;)
Yes it was!
I notice Jim exposed how Renee fly's on that broomstick,,its all done with wires LOL
ReplyDeletehttp://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2009/03/renees-rap-sheet.html
Yep she is just a crook like Joe and Harlow, Scams,bounced checks loud and profane, embezzlement???
Wonder if Joe and Harlow invited Renee in for a Ménage à troi.
In which two out of the three orifices do you suppose they finished?
ReplyDeleteA little bird told me that Renee had din-din with Mitch Halford at Rodano's Monday night.
ReplyDeleteAsk Brent:
ReplyDeleteA WB courtroom observer, who is a Hollywood professional, opined that you were wearing theatrical makeup during your testimony. I responded that it could be that you have outrageous lips and eyebrows naturally, but I would have to hold reveille at 0400 to be sure.
As a boy who likes to look his best, what products do you use: shampoo, face cleanser, body wash, shaving gel? What is your daily make-up routine?
Comment by geoff harvard — On March 4th, 2009 at 6:25 am
PC's Blog
ReplyDeleteBlogger Madame said...
PC it is amazing how fast the witness's are flying out of luzerne. Three and four at a time to the airport. But what is really funny is that Grant was done testifying yesterday and he is still in Luzerne. Why is he not home? Why is he still in luzerne? All the witness's that testified this morning were at avoca to catch the plane at 2:50 and the 4pm one. Maybe they couldnt find a plane that flys to california? Maybe no connectors? Nah,,,, cant be they are changing peoples flights to get them home. So Grant keeps saying I am the one that should be arrested. WEll hell I am half way home. He is the one still in luzerne Whats up with that? Maybe something going on that Grant cant leave?
And as for your Dinner you had with Mitch at Rodando's well hope you had a good time..... Did he pay you for your services or are you above his age range? Over the age range he likes his young and cute not old and bald.... Michael knows exactly where i was monday night in his office ....... So call him all you want with you lies, I am sure as you call him with them you credibility goes in the toilet..... Oh was that you at Barnes and Noble on the square sunday after noon peddling your ass, I believe the sign read I will blow you for five bucks!
Blogger DeWayne In San Diego said...
The policy on comments is as follows: criticize the facts and opinions all you like, but please stay on topic; comments that contain personal attacks will be deleted without comment, and may be met with a minimum 24 hour ban.
Uh PC when will you remove this?
Since the policy has obviously been rescinded by you?
Or has the truth been revealed..
The No personal attack policy never applied to BB or Renee Martin in the first place..
Personal attacks are allowed explicitly when you agree with said attacks.
Nice way to color your blog while preserving objectivity in the posts.
And you wonder why Jim made a sudden move yesterday.
I have known about R.Martins check kiting since 2007 so YOU had to have known.
Why didn't you publish this?
If Sean or Grant had Renes's record you would have posted this in a heartbeat.
So when its someone your friendly with its irrelevant to their character as a witness but when you have something disparaging to say about the whores its okay?
Dont have a problem with that actually hey its your blog,,, just so we players know the lay of the playing field.
Geoff ,
ReplyDelete“A WB courtroom observer, who is a Hollywood professional, opined that you were wearing theatrical makeup during your testimony. I responded that it could be that you have outrageous lips and eyebrows naturally, but I would have to hold reveille at 0400 to be sure.”
I smell heavy sarcasm here and I don’t know why; everyone who ever saw a photo of Brent, and I guess you have, knows that he has sensuous lips and rather thick eyebrows. Judging from the press photo from the court corridor they were not overemphasized.
Btw, the text BB quoted is not part of “A siren’s tale prt 1-4” as published on http://brentcorriganuncensored.blogspot.com/2007/08/sirens-tale.html. So if there is no other longer version the source remains to be identified.
Ok, I am a euro alien, so forgive me if I don’t get the following expression: “to hold reveille at 0400 to be sure”
Actually Lana and Geoff that Brent quote bb was talking about came from his first magazine interview, I have it somewhere. It was online for a couple of years (Smutjunkies?)
ReplyDeleteNo I dont think Brent was wearing makeup but if he was no surprise anyone who goes on TV is smart to do so.
I still remember the story's about both sides in the OJ Simpson case getting a crash course in Makeup 101.
Lana, reveille is actually French in origin. It is a sudden wake-up call. It routinely occurs at 0600, but for shock effect it may happen at any hour of the night.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reveille
Geoff,
ReplyDeletethanks for filling me in
but, what does it tell us?
You need a sudden wake up at 4 am to know if brent has outrageous lips and eyebrows?
Yes, if you were to wake a boy up at 4 a. m., he wouldn't have time to put on his face. He would look more like an Ethan Connor police booking photo.
ReplyDeleteIn Case he missed it..
ReplyDeleteBlogger DeWayne In San Diego said...
From Harlow and Joe on Trial
The policy on comments is as follows: criticize the facts and opinions all you like, but please stay on topic; comments that contain personal attacks will be deleted without comment, and may be met with a minimum 24 hour ban.
Uh PC when will you remove this?
Since the policy has obviously been rescinded by you?
Or has the truth been revealed..
The No personal attack policy never applied to BB or Renee Martin in the first place..
Personal attacks are allowed explicitly when you agree with said attacks.
Nice way to color your blog while preserving objectivity in the posts.
And you wonder why Jim made a sudden move yesterday.
I have known about R.Martins check kiting since 2007 so YOU had to have known.
Why didn't you publish this?
If Sean or Grant had Renes's record you would have posted this in a heartbeat.
So when its someone your friendly with its irrelevant to their character as a witness but when you have something disparaging to say about the whores its okay?
Don't have a problem with that actually hey its your blog,,, just so we players know the lay of the playing field.
Just asking, you would think he might answer, it might go a long way toward explaining the sudden shift in tone on Jims,H&J and this blog. ;)
Wow dewayne-
ReplyDeleteyou do have a point!!!!!!!!
Will--
ReplyDeleteWrap your head around this. BB is a conglomeration of at least 3 persons with Wagner controlling the commentary. Push the right buttons and viola, Wagner shoves that sock puppet aside and comments personally. He did that several times with me.
Grant is a discerning individual. I couldn't careless if BB wants us to believe he posts from Stumble Rock, Wyoming. Fact is BB and Wagner are one and the same.
Yesterday at Jim's was very enlightening. PC got territorial and downright pissy with Jim over Renee, I ain't been arrested, Martin.
ReplyDeleteThe rap sheet says otherwise.
I would rather know why that bitch goddess is carrying on private conversations with BB and PC and presumably aimed at landing Sean and Grant in prison.
Geoff raised this elsewhere and, frankly, it continues to hold water. PC is doing lots of rip and posting from TL and CV. Where's the original material? I can subscribe to TL and CV and be as informed and leave comments at either paper.
Where is KM? Has he no interest in the CCT's, BBT's, Kerekes' taking a plea agreement? That is not consistent behavior. Surely, the man has an opinion. Or did he too have a parting of company with PC?
Dewayne--
ReplyDeleteGlad you raised this. I would like an explanation from the Wizard of Rip and Post regarding why he told both of us in separate phone calls that Sean and Grant would be arrested on setting foot in Pennsylvania at the time of the July Evidence Suppression Hearing. That fell through.
Me thinks that PC is holding cards up his sleeve.
First, PC is not, and has never been a professional journalist.
ReplyDeleteHe's been in a snit with Ed Lewis for, as they say, "a spell."
Next, PC, unlike professional journalists, has a thing about being scooped. He is not as thorough in posting as one might think. At the risk of being redundant, pages one and two of Renee Martin's Bail Bond Affidavit were left out of what he posted. I noticed this and told him about it at the time he posted that material. He told me it was an oversight that would be corrected. To date, NADA.
Another example, he summarized the materal of the Preliminary Hearing, Day 1 and Day 2, that is, that material is not verbatim transcript material. His version in that summary is at odds with a more thorough account.
Then, he tried to obtain the identity of a blogger, Bryanawel.
He engaged in personal attack twice in significant incidents with Elm who does have a hard on for Harlow as they say (Yet, Elm is in the unique postion of having been in direct communication with PC, Renee Martin, and BB at various times). PC has attempted to engage others in personal attack and threats behind the scenes.
I am not impressed with where his material is coming from these days--both local newspapers. It is not original reporting with him because it the original material of either CV or TL. One can subscribe to either or both as was pointed out elsewhere by Geoff Harvard and be as informed.
By contrast, Quicky, a relative novice, has provided more insight regarding the witnesses and their demeanor then PC who is absent from the courthouse and the pet of his blog--one subject of this murder trial.
The masterpiece is that he is not neutral regarding Sean and Grant. He told me in a phone call in June of last year that both men would be arrested on setting foot in Pennsylvania. He has called Sean "a lying whore," a statment he declined to elaborate, but he also told Dewayne the same thing in separate phone call prior to that suppression hearing. I am not impressed with what amounts to ripping others copyrighted material and claiming ownership of it.
Show me the original material please because, frankly, Ed Lewis has been diligently working this story and tracking leads while PC has been sitting on his ass in Virginia Beach sucking down bourbon and branch water.
Then, he tried to obtain the identity of a blogger, Bryanawel.
ReplyDeleteI still find that very strange. On the other hand, whatever he may have found about me must have appeared to him as strange, too.
It is actually quite amazing that the question if porn can be art made it to the court room. I am involved with a show about the zone in between art and porn in Vienna; this is a vast discussion. I would just for starters strongly disagree that “erotic” scenarios as one blogger claimed (good lighting, nice sets, beautiful boys) are art per se because the production values are high. Rather the contrary, it just could be kitsch. As most erotica are.
ReplyDeleteBut this of course has to be decided each time on the particular case. Just to give you a few (gay) names: Andy Warhol, BrucelaBruce and Jean Genet ARE art (and sometimes border on porn when it comes to full frontal, explicit action etc.)
As to the question if anything sean and grant do (or did) is art: that is hard to answer, even (or especially) for a fan like myself. If there is an art within the genre (the art OF performing porn and not porn AS art) than Brent as perfomer for sure reached up to that category a couple of times (no doubt in the scene with Luke on JtS). When it comes to the films as films: rough edged pro-am style can be art, but I would say, not yet. Especially the editing is not quite to the point so far. If the productions USE dramaturgy, angles and light similar to professional productions but on a lower technical standard, that is NOT art. Anything that looks like “want to but can’t” is not art, not in any sense.
So I would make the very controversial claim that stuff that was even MORE amateurish technically was closer to art than some of the later productions; the unlucky but rich production of bentcorriganonline.com was close to an artistic “gesture”, specifically the webcam show with Brent stripping, talking, jerking off, filming himself and answering questions in one flow. I hope he finds a way to come back to that genre. That’s why we want to show that material at the art show in Vienna (“The Porn Identity” in Kunsthalle Wien, no pun to donner’s films intended). It is a shame (and still a mystery to me) that B&C did not earn a penny with that interesting work.
If sean’s films should finally reach some sort of ground between experimental art and porn the “reality tv” streak is probably the thing to follow. However, it will be a tricky experiment as he probably does not want to piss off the “usual porn consumer” who wants his “formal” scenes with the familiar suck-rim-fuck-cum dramaturgy.
As a very recent example of a gay film that is artistic for sure, and very close to porn, is Todd Verow’s work, specifically “Where your heart should be”
http://pornfilmfestivalberlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/reviews-disorientationscom-is-travis-jeppesen-todd-verow/
Just for the record: I am involved with art theory and production for quite a while, and only recently a porn fan.
Finally I want to add that I find it very disturbing that some bloggers obviously consume porn (and not because they are forced to I bet), but then refuse to show the performers and producers any respect; even though they owe them some very pleasurable minutes (if not hours) of their life.
There is more to contemplate--a sudden flurry of derogatory remarks, decidely againist Sean and Grant and still insinuating direct involvement in Kocis' murder. Spin is in place on the significance of both Sean's and Grant's testimony. Those are instigated by the comments of Anonymous, not the occasional as implied, but a consistent blogger and in a writing style similar to that of the one time heavy blogging soulmate of Robert Wagner, the British solicitor known as Cadinot4ver aka Cad. Those comments will not be found on Elm's blog.
ReplyDeleteThere is a cabal that packs together, has always ran together, the same group. Robert Wagner, Ben (BF), and Cad and all in communication with another blogger. Then, we have the brought in outsider Elm who was jettisoned.
These claim an involvement in the murder for Sean and Grant and this without proof. The conduit claims the pair will be arrested.
Why the same? Why the excuse that the victim of a series of assaults was the seducer? That is the special pleading of victimizers.
A counting problem--4 became 2 and that would not be persons. Models claim 4, not 2. That is an inconsistency. All of a sudden PC has concern with the tapes that came out of Kocis' basement the day after the fire and despite the fact that TL and CV reported the police removing a computer tower and a box of tapes from the dead man's basement. But, no matter, this was the same "reporter" who misrepresented the dimensions of Kocis' driveway and where cars of visitors routinely were required to be parked.
Why the concern for the identity of another blogger? The simple answer is that is none of that blogger's business.
I can't figure out why just as the trial was getting underway PC decided to head to Alaska, the most distant destination you can get this continent from Wilkes Barre, PA.
ReplyDeleteThen after his return home, got snowed in and could not drive, true - makes sense. But why not wait an additional day or two, and jump on a plane to Philly with connecting flight to WB?
Surely he was not intimidated by a complete "novice" like me? Nor could he have felt scooped by my wonderful grammar and use of the English language, nor seasoned reporting.
Something else was at play here. I don't expect an explanation, but I think Rob knows why.
My initial interest in going on this assignment was for photos, with many of us not expecting good coverage of the witnesses. Two things, one is that I would have had to wait aprox. 4 hours in the basement for one photo, and not knowing who I am photographing until later reading the news. So an eight hour day for two photos, and no court room watching. It seemed like a less valuable option to just sit on a concrete slab hoping for someone worth a picture.
I spent my time in court and upper levels where cameras were not allowed.
I did want to get nice pictures, good flattering shots of most known names, and not rotten pix taken from the bushes. But anyway, if PC did not want his close up, he can now boogie down to WB, as I am now out of there for good.
Great comments everyone I am just getting to some of them.
ReplyDeleteI plan to update this post by Saturday.
And once again Quicky an amazing job!
You sure have earned your press badge!
Yes, Quicky you did an excellent job!
ReplyDeletePC not being there has puzzled me too.
And thank you C.C too!
ReplyDeleteI didn't realize or think I was doing a good job at all. I was just walking around looking at everyone and talking to people and listening and then later writing what I was thinking at that time.
I guess it is a lot easier (to report) when you are interested in the subject matter.
But it is a fine line, I started out thinking in a slightly satirical and cynical way, and then being knocked back by the sadness of the families, and the seriousness of the case. I woke up in the middle of the night a few times in Wiles Barre feeling very emotional about what the families told me concerning their suffering. You do not just take those comments and rattle them out in a blog if you know what I mean.
I'm not sure what you are thanking me for Quicky but you're welcome! ;)
ReplyDeleteI would say the emotion you were feeling was evident in your writing, I know that is one of the reasons I found your posts so compelling. You didn't just write about the legal aspect of the case you infused it with your impressions of what was happening around you and the people. Like when you described how Grant handled himself on the witness stand during cross- I was glued to what I was reading! You letting us know how well he did under cross, his demeanor on the stand, him being self assured of what he was testifying about - I think was important for a lot of people who have doubted both Grant and Sean to hear just how well they worked with the prosecution in this case.
So, thanks again Quicky!
Has anyone else seen the "Daddy" post over on the Brent blog? It's April 1, 2008 all over again. I find it improbable that this is the first time that the issue has come up in 22 years.
ReplyDeleteBrent, at the time you speak of, I still had red hair, still have green eyes and the remnants of freckles. I did well shorting frozen pork bellies at the Chicago Board of Trade, correctly anticipating the commodities downturn of late 85/early 86. I did go to Sun Valley in February of 86, but I don’t remember much about that week except getting in as much skiing as I could. Had a bad coke habit then and couldn’t control it absent work.
ReplyDeleteComment by geoff harvard — On March 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
PC said...
ReplyDeleteSadly, once again things are going WAY off-topic, tempers are flaring, and it's going to stop.
If your comment isn't directly related to Cuadra's penalty phase and/or trial, then please post it elsewhere, as it won't be approved here.
Thank you in advance for understanding. :)
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PC writes this after approving yet another BB shit slinging fest.
Yes PC we understand, do you? Do you know when and at what point your blog lost it's core? A bunch of nobodys thanking you every day for all your hard work at control C, control V does not a respectable reference work make. You should have stepped in and cleaned out the crud from the cracks.
The good news is that there is still time for you to go through each of the millions of posts and delete any post of BB's ever logged. Save the tarnished bits of your remaining reputation even if a book deal is now off the table for you. You can still do the right thing, show some class and respect for truth. Or you can leave it as is, and wait for the remaining copyright (photos) holders to come in and clean house for you.
NyCBoi2ThEMaX said...
ReplyDeleteQuick - you know what totally caught me off guard? How much you look like bryan. Like - Almost identical twins. I had to do a quadruple take (as did the his family). It was spooky.
March 13, 2009 7:35 PM
It is January, 2007, and pornographer Bryan Kocis is starting to sweat, despite the sub-zero temperatures in Wilkes-Barre. His underground financiers are applying unimaginable pressure, vandalism to the Maserati, hang-up threats. He is aware of a Danny Moilin, whom he well knows to be someone else, applying to be a model at Cobra Video and requesting an audition at the house. Bryan’s imagination is flying in all directions and lands on the worst case scenario.
At the same time, he has been corresponding with a Los Angeles videographer whom he met on a Sony video technical message board. He is amused by the fact that they are very similar in appearance. He gets the germ of an idea.
He entices the videographer out to Pennsylvania with the offer of an extended assignment and airfare, saying he can stay at the house, too, as long as he needs to.
The fateful day of January 24, 2007 arrives. Bryan and the videographer are sharing a bottle of pinot noir hanging out in the living room while Bryan makes some business calls. Bryan gets off the phone, makes an excuse that he has to run an errand, and slips out the back and out toward the adjacent street. The videographer does not realize that Bryan has exchanged their wallets and taken his return ticket. He watches the new flat screen tv and sips his pinot.
He can hear a car pull up in the front driveway, and there is a knock on the front door. Not being the reclusive type, he answers it, and there is Danny Moilin. The videographer doesn’t know what this is about, but he makes small talk with Danny awaiting Bryan’s return. Another abrupt knock on the door, and the videographer answers again. There is a violent struggle. The two assailants subdue him and slit his throat. That is his last moment of consciousness.
Bryan arrives in LA and takes a cab to the address on the drivers license in the wallet. He calls a locksmith to get into the apartment and make a key for the car. (He forgot to take the keys.) He takes up the videographer’s identity. Associates note that the quality of the videographer’s work is declining. He doesn’t seem to know anything about photography and editing any more.
Arrogant bastard that he is, he takes a keen interest in his own “murder.” He goes back to his old video message board and finds Harlow there asking questions about his cameras. He begins blogging on Kocisphere sites using the ironic name, quickysrt, and maintains almost daily contact for two years.
In February, 2009, he takes the ultimate risk. He travels to Wilkes-Barre for Harlow’s trial and sits in the courtroom for a week, interviewing the participants and observing the proceedings. The family and Robert give him some startled reactions, but they dare not contemplate the truth. The family has already settled the estate.
Bryan returns to Los Angeles and continues with his new life, free of the underground financiers who threatened him. The one question remaining is if he is arrogant enough to try to insinuate himself into the life of Sean Lockhart again.
This is as good a story as any, given that trying to get the whole, unvarnished truth out of any of the participants in this case is like trying to get blood out of a turnip.
Geoff, this story is just slightly more rational and connected to reality then the one we just followed from a fire reported, to the Lucerne County Court as Harlow was walked out the back door with a dazed look of "oh I feel fucked alright (no lube), but for some reason it does not feel good this time" in his eyes.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, in Bryan's eyes, Brent would still be expected to fulfill his end of that deal he agreed to and signed sealed and delivered.
Rob said...
ReplyDeleteWhere is KM? Has he no interest in the CCT's, BBT's, Kerekes' taking a plea agreement? That is not consistent behavior. Surely, the man has an opinion.
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Rob, I saw a blog created by KM about the H/J trial. But it never had any entries. I think he wanted his own blog on this, but did not get time to do it.
Did you see that blog?
KM was a writer or TV guy who started the blog with PC. They had a falling out I guess he never came back.
ReplyDeleteWill someone please explain to me why PC will allow BB to spew his vile on his site?
ReplyDeletecause BB and Renee are friendsies with PC they play footsies together
ReplyDeletePC's has become a sounding board for RW, and comments that call his pearls of wisdom into question are deleted.
ReplyDeletePC has re-linked BB's blog.
ReplyDeleteGeoff Harvard said...
ReplyDeletePC's has become a sounding board for RW, and comments that call his pearls of wisdom into question are deleted.
Geoff and CC damned straight. PC is nothing but a shill for the following: Wagner, Beebs, Cad. Elm is deluded into thinking Beebs is remotely connected to RW.
I consider PC's linking to BB a personal insult and have no idea why PC would do that.
ReplyDeleteI am forced to conclude he validates and supports everything BB's blog represents.
Considering BB's personal attacks against me.
We must conclude that PC not only endorses those attacks, but in fact is of "like mind" and firmly believes in BB's reprehensible hate.
Dewayne--
ReplyDelete"Reprehensible" is right. There is absolutely no attempt on Beebs part to invite comments from the other side. All that is pushed is a lopsided version of whether Sean and Grant have been truly thorough and really cooperative in assisting the police in bringing H&J to justice.
What redeeming quality do you find in Beebs' blog Will? Geoff is no one's fool. Neither is VJ. They see problems with Beebs and Wagner's statements.
I will clarify precisely what I have said before: The PA prosecutors did not find RW complicit in Kocis' murder. The prosecutor did not give RW a pass on anything else.
And PC is no better at his blog on the same subject matter.
ReplyDeleteYes, but if PC was interested in a book deal, he would do two things, keep the insiders feeding the tidbits (who ever they might be), and keep up a good front of fairness, equality, and integrity. In other words, you have to have some sort of class, and good housekeeping.
ReplyDeleteWhy would PC risk his reputation with BB linked?
Perhaps he knows in his heart he is not an author, and really just simply enjoys the research project, and the short lived fame the blog achieved. Nothing more than a blogger who did a pretty good job otherwise. Fine I guess, but I had put PC on a higher intellectual level than that.
Well in that regard Quicky perhaps PC has not been a complete failure because Will, who is a Hell of a lot smarter, sure has bought the sheep dip exercise that Wagner, Cad, and Beebs are engaged in.
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ReplyDeleteFor Will with apologies to William Jennings Bryant.
ReplyDeleteYou shall not press down upon the brow of bloggers this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify bloggers on a cross of porn!
For the guys at Chinchilla Jim's blog on the controversy surrounding Renee Martin's arrest do read the following. The US Code which flows from the US Constitution controls what happens to persons "detained." Detention is a fancy way of saying placed into custody, that is, arrested.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly does the 234 Pennsylvania State Code have to say about the conditions of bail. The following settles the issue:
Rule 522. Detention of Witnesses.
(A) After an accused has been arrested for any offense, upon application of the attorney for the Commonwealth or defense counsel, and subject to the provisions of this chapter, a court may set bail for any material witness named in the application. The application shall be supported by an affidavit setting forth adequate cause for the court to conclude that the witness will fail to appear when required if not held in custody or released on bail. Upon receipt of the application, the court may issue process to bring any named witnesses before it for the purpose of demanding bail.
(B) If the material witness is unable to satisfy the conditions of the bail bond after having been given immediate and reasonable opportunity to do so, the court shall commit the witness to jail, provided that at any time thereafter and prior to the term of court for which the witness is being held, the court shall release the witness when the witness satisfies the conditions of the bail bond.
(C) Upon application, a court may release a witness from custody with or without bond, or grant other appropriate relief.
Comment
This rule does not permit a witness to be detained prior to the arrest of the defendant, since an arrest might never take place and the witness could be held indefinitely.
‘‘Conditions of the bail bond’’ as used in this rule include the conditions set forth in Rule 526(A) and the conditions of release defined in Rules 524, 527, and 528.
Pursuant to paragraph (C), a witness may be released on his or her own recognizance conditioned upon the witness’ written agreement to appear as required. See Rule 524.
This rule does not affect the compensation and expenses of witnesses under the Judicial Code, 42 Pa.C.S. § 5903, or the provisions of the Uniform Act to Secure the Attendance of Witnesses from Within or Without a State in Criminal Proceedings. See 42 Pa.C.S. § § 5963(c) and 5964(b) relating to bail.
In cases in which bail is set for a material witness pursuant to this rule, the court should consider all the types of release permitted in Rule 524 and the conditions of nonmonetary release upon bail available under Rule 527. When a material witness is to be detained, the court should impose the least restrictive means of assuring that witness’ presence, including the use of release on the witness’ own recognizance or release upon other nonmonetary conditions, such as electronic monitoring, especially when the witness has limited financial means to post monetary bail.
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Pennsylvania code language on the subject and a reference to material witnesses. Material Witnees--Renee Martin's status. I can read and comprehend what the Bail Bond Affidavit states clearly despite the fact that two pages were intentionally left out.
Key word in Paragraph A above is arrested. How do we know that Martin was arrested and arraigned--the Bail Bond Affidavit and Elm's statement of how Martin came to be translated from Ft. Worth, Texas to Luzerne Cty, Pennsylvania.
Arrest is to detain or place into custody, for disposition at the discretion of the court.
Anything else Will?
Anyone else notice the attempted beatification of Blessed Bryan, Apostle to the Youth of Dallas? I'm going to hurl. RW says that he went over the Cobra models' ages with investigators, and only Sean was underage, therefore it's true. "Suns," a S/G hater from way back, chimes in approvingly. BB adds her charm. Melody Bartusek waves her hand graciously, thanking all. Has anyone attempted retail fulfillment on the Cobra Video site recently? If you send in money, will they sent a copy of Fuck Me Raw or Take It Like a Bitch, Boy? If they will, who gets the money, and who mails out the porn? Have they sold the Cobra catalog to a third party, and, if so, who got the proceeds from that sale?
ReplyDeleteGeoff, I am so glad you said it first! I read that thread this morning and felt the same overwhelming need to empty my stomach.
ReplyDeleteBTW, excellent questions!
BB has been a busy boy lately. He has left his normal vile comments on the advocate thread and on that delusional thread of Jason Ridge's.
Geoff I do believe you are the Sts. Bonaventure and Malachi of the blogs.
ReplyDeleteThe canonization of St. Bryan of Dallas Twnshp, PA. The beneficient shit who provided curb to curb pick up and drop off service by car to the local underage youth he had deflowered. Robert Wagner claims Bryan a saint and martyr, therefore, must be true--in a hog's turd.
I remember Robert Graves writing about the deification of Claudius Caesar, Emperor of Rome. He also presented Seutonius' famous satire of that event, "The Pumpkinfication of Claudius."
The Pumpkinfication of Bryan Kocis in free verse by a raft of teen boy rapist adherents. What a wonderful legacy. The Kocis family, eyes turned down at Bryan and Porn, What Porn, must be proud of the scion of the family.
CC how perceptive regarding Beebs. Certainly leaves discerning folk to ponder why a person, self-proclaimed, no associations whatsoever with Robert Wagner would so strongly advocate that creep's position.
ReplyDeleteTheir is backstory on the summary version Robert Wagner presented first at, surprise of surprises, Peter's blog.
That sterling person got called into the DA's office courtesy of information provided that he was up to no good against Sean and Grant.
An IP associated with Beebs showed up originating from Wagner's residence in NYC.
Beebs is not unallied. He's a lying hoodlum who advocates the rape of underage teen males.
"Have they sold the Cobra catalog to a third party, and, if so, who got the proceeds from that sale?"
ReplyDeleteGlad you asked Geoff. An interesting missive exists detailing that move. A person whose initials are MK is prominent in that move. That missive is the hands of people who can really do something about it.
" He also presented Seutonius' famous satire of that event, "The Pumpkinfication of Claudius.""
ReplyDeleteSeneca wrote that satire.
Gourdification I like that phrase better.
ReplyDeleteI take a jaundiced view of Seneca since I am a Claudian Partisan and Seneca wrote that piece during Neros reign.
Jim I stand corrected on the author of the Pumpkinfication. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteOh My God Dear, somthing poltical we agree on. I LOVE Claudius I. That "stuttering fool," quite possibly had the highest IQ of any Roman Emporer. That man had genius level survival instincts.
ReplyDeleteOh My God Dear, my last comment was comment 69! Do you think it means anything?
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ReplyDeleteFor some reason I always forget to check this thread. And now I think it's just as well I do.
ReplyDelete"Well in that regard Quicky perhaps PC has not been a complete failure because Will, who is a Hell of a lot smarter, sure has bought the sheep dip exercise that Wagner, Cad, and Beebs are engaged in."
Rob, that is complete, utter, unmitigated bullshit.
Rob, re the code on material witnesses, you said:
ReplyDelete"Key word in Paragraph A above is arrested."
Here's Paragraph A:
"(A) After an accused has been arrested for any offense, upon application of the attorney for the Commonwealth or defense counsel, and subject to the provisions of this chapter, a court may set bail for any material witness named in the application."
The term "arrested" is used in reference to the accused, in this case that would be Harlow and Joe. It goes on to describe the setting of bail for material witnesses, in this case that would be Renee. No mention of their being arrested.
Anything else Rob?
Will, what on earth are you talking about, and why?
ReplyDeleteI'm responding to Rob, Geoff. Anything wrong with that?
ReplyDeleteWill, that is non-responsive to the question I posed to you. Let me put it another way. What on earth are you talking about, and why?
ReplyDeleteGeoff, I am responding to two posts by Rob above, one stamped March 17, 2009 12:13 PM, the other March 19, 2009 2:56 AM. Hope that clarifies, as Rob would say.
ReplyDeleteWill, what is your disagreement with Rob, and why?
ReplyDeleteMy professor for Donne and the Metaphysicals, Fr. Dennis McKevlin, at this point would pull out a pack of unfiltered PallMalls, deftly tap them, pull out a fag, light it, and rest his chin in his hand as he awaited my answer.
Geoff Harvard said...
ReplyDelete"Will, what is your disagreement with Rob, and why?"
Oh Geoff, you are funny. The "what" is apparent in my posts. The "why" is a cosmic mystery I will never understand.
Will, the whole point of this board is to discuss things. Why don't you want to discuss the questions I have put to you?
ReplyDeleteI will be happy to discuss anything with you Geoff. I have no idea what you are talking about now.
ReplyDeleteQED
ReplyDeleteWell this has been a most illuminating exchange Geoff. Hope everyone else has enjoyed reading it. We'll be here all week folks! Try the veal!
ReplyDeleteWill--You got the code section on Material Witnesses. In order to have a material witness there has to be an arrest--that would be H&J. Go down just a bit in that code section that I supplied and you will see, in regards to the material witness--in this case, Martin--must be taken into custody, hence, detained or arrested and that is how she happened to be arraigned before Judge Olszewski's court.
ReplyDeletePC has a credibility problem. I brought the matter regarding Renee Martin to his attention upon reading the Bail Bond Affidavit when he first posted it. PC posted it intentionally without 2 pages. The document starts at page 3 as posted. When I mentioned this to him, he said he knew that the first two pages had not gone up and that would be corrected. Hasn't happened and won't because it clearly details that Martin was placed into custody.
Do hope you have been enjoying the PC "I have CCBill info" fiasco PC created for himself. But then I do question the motives of a guy who tells me in one phone call and Dewayne in another that Sean and Grant are to be arrested without proof.
PC served a function, for presenting the info of the TL and CV on his blog. Question is what happened to the flow of court documents Will? Those drying up seems mighty sudden. Coincidence?
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ReplyDeleteRob, why you insist on placing me in the role of PC's public-relations agent is beyond me. And as for the issue of Renee being taken into custody or "arrested," you are quite mistaken. Talk to DeWayne about it. I'm done with that subject.
ReplyDeleteHold on to your britches Will. I never have placed you in PC's corner. PC is on a block all of his own creation.
ReplyDeleteBaiting me over glaring inconsistencies in Peter's "reporting" by you has had me wondering.
Peter has been deckstacking and is clearly anti-Sean and Grant. I don't care if he has a warehouse full of court documents. It doesn't make him a paragon. I began wondering what he was up to before he introduced Martin with that Bail Bond Affidavit with its missing two pages.
I took flak for that blunder of Peter's; I have also taken flak for indicating that he was actively banging the drum for Sean and Grant's arrest.
I was taking flak for the Hate Flyer business--the police on several levels are investigating that--settled recently by Grant.
And that leaves the Clearing Statement. Frankly, I don't care if you can find no mention of it in any official channel. It is alluded to in an official, required court document on another matter. Fact is Peter's BS against Sean and Grant brought the Clearing Statement into existence, 4 pages and signed, detailing Sean and Grant's participation in bringing H&J to justice. It is not a court required document; it was privately issued by the DA to S&G. It is at Grant Roy's discretion if and when that document will see the light of day. Dewayne saw the document. I got confirmation for you guys on facts about the document in general and that is the best you or anyone else can get.
Now, Will get over the fact that back at the time Peter Conway introduced Renee Martin, I commented exactly on her situation that she had been arrested, a fact that Elm finally detailed just recently in his blog. I especially relish that at the time of Martin's Bail Bond Affidavit, a requirement in PA state law and mentioned in the 234 PA State Code cited above, Elm was not on speaking terms with me. Placed in custody/detained the language of the PA state code Will what does it mean in the law? It means arrest.
Blogger BB said...
ReplyDelete"Geoff ALL Death threats were reported from the beginning."
Did you report the death threat you made towards me? No biggie if you did not, I did. Its how I got your name/address/phone number. Seen it in the police report I had to sign.
Want proof?
March 21, 2009 12:41 AM
Yes BB I do (proof)
since no death threat was ever made to you by me.
If one was made..
I would have been contacted by SDPD or the FBI and I would have been forced to turn over ALL YOUR Threatening email from my google account to them.
And I would have made a formal COUNTER complaint at that time and Law Enforcement would have contacted Blogger and Google and your records subpoenaed.
Which I did not do because it was pointed out how much better to have a clueless BB who for some reason feels their is Anonymity on the Net,and he is immune to law enforcement scrutiny while blathering away online.
Your IP and location were made in June 2007.Cooperation of numerous bloggers made this possible.
(No one really likes you)
Continue to believe YOUR Delusions all the way to the point when they BUST Down Your door.
BTW I told them you are Armed and Dangerous.
So hopefully they will take precautions.
Again Coward I invite you to Publish everything You have
I DARE YOU in fact!
I think you should have known based on your previous private threats to me to expose my address or phone number that I dont give a shit about any of this.
So BLOVIATE BB its the only thing you know how to do!
Just make sure you have some windows open, one of theses days all that Methane will cause an Explosion.
Say Hello to Robert Wagner and Cad before you light any matches Beebs.
ReplyDeleteAnd Beebs that armed and dangerous part that Dewayne alludes to above came from my legwork.
ReplyDeleteYou'll remember: a handgun, a shotgun, and a 30.06. And that gun club business. You guys shouldn't be playing with anti-personnel weapons.
Have a nice day!
Where can I find that post from BB quoted above by DeWayne, stamped March 21, 2009 12:41 AM? I checked the other blogs but I couldn't find it.
ReplyDeletehttp://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2009/03/today-on-advocatecom.html
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the pointer DeWayne. Disregard earlier comment if you saw it, I made a boo-boo.
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